Secundi

Hello all ^_^

-is totally in school for about 20 to 30 more minutes- XDDD Then I get to drive home. -gets to leave after 7th period 'cause her 8th period is a study hall, and she's a senior-

'Grats on all of these cuties! /drool

Red, you can be greedy & keep the Saluki! I know I've been greedy. XD

-steals the golden/yellow Dachi Ryuu won- Jealous. XD

Ok, all dog breeds have been entered into the Secundi system...that took forever O.o I am going to be removing all the test dogs I did, and at some point we will be working out a way to get some of the Old World dogs into the Secundi system, but for right now yay for all breeds, items, and such entered!

Quote from: Taruia on September 14, 2009, 02:00:58 PM
Ok, all dogs have been entered into the Secundi system...that took forever O.o I am going to be removing all the test dogs I did, and at some point we will be working out a way to get some of the Old World dogs into the Secundi system, but for right now yay for all breeds, items, and such entered!

Yay Taru! XD That must've taken hard work.
So will new dogs we win/breed/trade be put in our owner's folder, or just in Secundi? :O /confused li'l blondie
XD

Quote from: SplitX on September 14, 2009, 12:51:01 PM
-is totally in school for about 20 to 30 more minutes- XDDD Then I get to drive home. -gets to leave after 7th period 'cause her 8th period is a study hall, and she's a senior-

'Grats on all of these cuties! /drool

Red, you can be greedy & keep the Saluki! I know I've been greedy. XD

-steals the golden/yellow Dachi Ryuu won- Jealous. XD

awww luckie! i'm still in lunch XD

is so hard to decide!! Dx

you stoled my only dachi T_T

ooo yay!! *snuggles Taru*

Quote from: Taruia on September 14, 2009, 02:00:58 PM
Ok, all dogs have been entered into the Secundi system...that took forever O.o I am going to be removing all the test dogs I did, and at some point we will be working out a way to get some of the Old World dogs into the Secundi system, but for right now yay for all breeds, items, and such entered!

*Lost*
Yep I am lost, still tryng to figure out Secundi so not too sure where you are entering these dogs into or anything.
Yay for being done entering the dogs Taruia, that is awesome.

For now, until the pet pages are done, and some more things are in place your dogs will just be placed into your owner folders. Probably starting next week they will be put into Secundi and your owner folder, then after things get very open they will be only placed into Secundi. I have to talk this all out with Garney though.

Entering all the breeds means that any breed can now be entered into Secundi. We still need to work out how the certing will go, and if there will continue to be certs or not...because we want Secundi animals to be able to be traded by their owners and not involve the Kennel at all.

And to add, dogs = dog breeds...I have not entered all the individual dogs, as only a few of the Old World ones will ever be added to the Secundi system.

Quote from: Taruia on September 14, 2009, 02:40:42 PM
For now, until the pet pages are done, and some more things are in place your dogs will just be placed into your owner folders. Probably starting next week they will be put into Secundi and your owner folder, then after things get very open they will be only placed into Secundi. I have to talk this all out with Garney though.

Entering all the breeds means that any breed can now be entered into Secundi. We still need to work out how the certing will go, and if there will continue to be certs or not...because we want Secundi animals to be able to be traded by their owners and not involve the Kennel at all.

Oohhhh okay. n__n But will, say, Aurora (kennel dog who I got ages ago; certed) be able to breed with a strictly Secundi dog? :x Sorry if this is annoying, but I have no idea about how everything'll work. XD

Ok less lost now.

So with breeding, will be on Secundi only now, or will it also be on the forums? (if you guys have figured that out at all yet) 

It is all exciting, but all still very new.  So much to read and my poor eyes.  I really should get new glasses so I can see

All dogs will be inter breedable. So if you have a Secundi dog and an old world dog you can breed them yep yep. However Old World dogs will not be able to do the competing and the battles that the Secundi creatures can.

For now breeding is being revamped by Lectral to work well on Secundi. Breeding will probably open up again once we figure out how it's gonna work here on Secundi lol.

And you guys aren't annoying, all these questions help us figure things out too!

Quote from: Taruia on September 14, 2009, 02:56:46 PM
All dogs will be inter breedable. So if you have a Secundi dog and an old world dog you can breed them yep yep. However Old World dogs will not be able to do the competing and the battles that the Secundi creatures can.

For now breeding is being revamped by Lectral to work well on Secundi. Breeding will probably open up again once we figure out how it's gonna work here on Secundi lol.

And you guys aren't annoying, all these questions help us figure things out too!

OwO Oh no! Dx I was gonna have Aurora get to champion status. XD

I actually like the certs.  I'll miss those if they go.  But everything else I heard, I like so far.

Except.. I'm still concerned for any kennel stalkers who are under 13 years of age.  Will they still be able, somehow, to remain active in the kennel?  As in our current kennel competitions, events, breeding etc?  Or will the majority of kennel things be on secundi now and any under 13 year olds just have to wait (years in some cases) till they are old enough to sign up?

For now regular comps will continue to run as well. Probably for a couple more months. We will also be having a special item you can buy to allow your Old World dogs into the Secundi system, but honestly with all this work we don't have time to run two different sets of competitions. So if you really want her to reach champion you will have to add her to the Secundi system. Some things are going to have to be sacrificed, but honestly it's better then the Kennel going away completely.

Kadana - We cannot comply with COPPA, therefore no one under the age of 13 should be on Secundi or the Kennel forums, as the Kennel forums are not COPPA compliant either. If we have evidence that someone is under the age of 13, we have to remove them from the site or we could get in SERIOUS legal trouble. Because of this, yes, some kennel stalkers will have to wait a while, or they could work through an older sibling to have a joint account. We haven't worked out all the details yet, but the under 13 Kennel stalkers are a huge minority, so we have to think about the majority of our players, and the insane demands of PI. We HAD to leave, they practically drove us off, and we have no simple way to be COPPA compliant.

Ooh okay. I'll definitely have to add her to the Secundi System, then. n___n I'd love for her to be a Champion.
Will breeding be the same? I mean, with bonuses from competition points & use of the dice gods? :O Hehe.

Honestly we have NO idea yet, Lectral is working on that. She is very busy with that, and so it could be a while before any answers are available. We hope that everyone can remain patient and understanding during this very difficult transition time. We are trying very hard to get things in order for you all, but it is going to take a while. We are working as fast as we can, but all of us have real life that tends to get in the way as well. So bear with us, we're working sooo hard to get things up and running.

Sounds good to me! :3 Either way, I'm sure everything'll work out perfectly in the end.

-settles into thread- Bahaha. Dexter is curled up in a weird position next to me, snoring. Cuuute~.

OK, you said they can work through older siblings to have a joint account.  How would we go about setting that up?  Would I just share my current account with her, or would we need to make a new one or..  Also, for the kennel dogs she allready owns, would those still be kept in a seperate folder listing her as the owner, or should they be combined with mine for instance, until she turns 13?

I'm sorry if I am being annoying, I know your busy and I don;t mean to be, but I joined, and go my sisters to join the kennel, as something to do with them.  And it's really hurtig her now that she can't be a part of it.  So I'm just trying to find a solution for her/us, that also won;t harm you guys.  As I don;t know much about COPPA, all I can do is keep asking questions/suggesting things.  So again, I'm very sorry if I'm being annoying.

If I understood you right however, and we can/need to combine our kennels, we'd be more then willing to do that.  I just need to know how to go about it.  It honestly isn;t somethig that ever occurred to me to ask about, being as when they signed up we were told our kennels couldn't interact with each others at all. 

And again, I'm sorry if I'm being a pest.

I don't know, technically we CAN'T have ANY people under the age of 13 on our account, so you would have to work out how you did it at home with her. You would be the only one allowed to come on the site technically, the only one who could enter things, post on the board and have an account. Honestly it would be a LOT of work for both us and you. I'm very sorry about your sister, but we aren't going to take any of her kennel dogs, and when she turns 13 she is more then welcome to join our site.

I don't have any more time to discuss this topic. I have to do homework, and color dogs. As of right now your sister is the only kennel stalker to be under 13. So we can't devote a lot of time for one person when 20-30 people are waiting right now for me to color their dogs, and I have school and work.

Work it out at home how you can do things, we will cert dogs however you want, but honestly she can NOT be a part of this site until she is 13.

Quote from: Kadana Sorano on September 14, 2009, 03:05:20 PM
I actually like the certs.  I'll miss those if they go.  But everything else I heard, I like so far.

Yes, ditto to this.

I'm not a big fan of change, even things like new wall colors, but I figure that anything would be much better than no more Kennel at all :) I'll be interested to see how breeding/competiting/etc work on Secundi - I have over 100 dogs and a full 30 that actively compete, so my fingers are crossed for a smooth transition ;)

isnt coppa made with a built in bypass of "parental permission"? If there were to be a parent/guardian willing to give permission, that should be all it takes. I know video games rated M simply have a check box for parents to say its ok for younger viewers.

Just thoughts, I could be wrong.

Quote from: Ravvana on September 14, 2009, 04:08:51 PM

Quote from: Kadana Sorano on September 14, 2009, 03:05:20 PM
I actually like the certs.  I'll miss those if they go.  But everything else I heard, I like so far.

Yes, ditto to this.

I'm not a big fan of change, even things like new wall colors, but I figure that anything would be much better than no more Kennel at all :) I'll be interested to see how breeding/competiting/etc work on Secundi - I have over 100 dogs and a full 30 that actively compete, so my fingers are crossed for a smooth transition ;)

Me too.  I only have one dog (well, technically none till Sarea gets recerted *lol*) but I would dearly love to compete her!

COPPA states that we have to have all kinds of things, and currently we have no way to make it so that parents can give permission, and we have no way to store it, and we have no inclination to do all that is required. This is going to be my last post on the COPPA topic, but here's a site, if you want to read it and give us a good solution then PM it to me. This is the final post in this thread on this topic.

http://www.coppa.org/# (http://www.coppa.org/#)

*does the cha cha*

12 hours without internet *flail thrash snarl*

aw poor Garney, what happened if you dont mind me asking?

I'm guessing I might miss some games by going to bed early (yes, midnight is early for me xD), but I'm really tired. So goodnight everyone, have fun, I'll see you guys in the morning <3

No idea, called to report the outage to my provider (using a neighbor's phone since my phone is VOIP) and got a 'we're currently overloaded with calls at the moment, which suggests an outage in your area. If you would like to talk to an operator, please call back later' recorded message. Deeeelightful.

wow ouch. At least its back now? or is it going in and out? I know when we had problems with our router it went out for no reason then it would come back on for about 2 minutes then go on and off till an hour or two later and finaly stabalize.

Find-A-Mate final round posted on kennel forum...need nameses so we can cert them!

http://www.lemontoss.com/kennel/forum/viewtopic.php?t=611&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight= (http://www.lemontoss.com/kennel/forum/viewtopic.php?t=611&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)

Quote from: Taruia on September 14, 2009, 02:00:58 PM
Ok, all dogs have been entered into the Secundi system...that took forever O.o I am going to be removing all the test dogs I did, and at some point we will be working out a way to get some of the Old World dogs into the Secundi system, but for right now yay for all breeds, items, and such entered!

niice but where can we seethem then ? :D
on my profile it says "no pets"

All dog breeds, not individual dogs *goes to edit that post to reduce confusion*

Poor Taruia

o.o too pretty to let go....*pets saluki*

Name: Dancer
Owner: red_uni387

Quote from: Garney on September 14, 2009, 05:14:24 PM
No idea, called to report the outage to my provider (using a neighbor's phone since my phone is VOIP) and got a 'we're currently overloaded with calls at the moment, which suggests an outage in your area. If you would like to talk to an operator, please call back later' recorded message. Deeeelightful.

Been there done that.  Except it was closer to 2 days without in my case.  Unexplained outages are not cool.  -hugs Garney-  At least it's back now, yes?

I just found a stray kitten in the sewer drain in my house parking lot...  :(

It's so tiny it can't climb up. Anyone know what I should do? Or who I should call?

Call the local SPCA.

I would think phoning the SPCA.
If they can't help they will be able to point you in the direction of someone who can help

Thanks, I will. I'll have to call early tomorrow morning since its getting really late here and no one seems to be answering the phone.

You could also look to see if there is a number for animal control.  They may be able to help too, if the SPCA is closed currently, as we wouldn't want the little kitten staying there all night if it can be avoided

Just called all the local animal controls too. All closed.

Some neighborhood kids dropped food down there for the poor thing but it's too scared to eat. I wish I could go down there myself but I know I'd get stuck.

Animal control...closed??  WTH??!?

Animals are not a nine-to-five job...

last resort is calling police or fire dept.

That is weird.  Generally Animal control is open all day.  I know I have had to phone then at 11pm and even 3am for a dog barking for days straight  (watch dog barking at her shadow, the business ended up replacing her)

I guess the last thing would be to phone an emergency number and see if they can help

I know it's very odd that animal control would be closed at all. If anything, I would think there would be more need for them at night.

I'm hesitant with calling emergency services yet though. They usually have to deal with more life threatening situations..

well how much room is there to stick something in there that kitty doesn't really have to climb up?  Like a makeshift ladder that it could just walk up?  Maybe you could make something like that?

I am just not too sure from there.

*gives out oreos*

I second that. Make some sort of makeshift ladder and put some sort of cat food at the top. :X

Poor kitten I guess I'm thirding the ladder idea or maybe the firemen... I think they actually do that sort of thing... pity animal welfare aren't open :( Good luck.

I found a kitten one night at college and had to do a similar phone race, CutieePiee. It was a small town so none of the shelters were open in the night hours. I ended up calling the police (not their emergency number, there should be a regular number for non-emergencies) and they gave me the phone number of an animal control officer that was on call 24 hours a day, though the number went to voice mail and I had to leave him a message and wait for him to get back to me.

*pokes wearily at thread* hello? anybody here? *yawn*

Kennel threads where events and business are held are usually quiet - I get easily confused trying to wade through lots of posts XD We usually have a chatter thread, but those usually contain team updates and the team as a whole doesn't really have much to report except 'we're figuring out lots of things' *sheepish look*

My internet continues to be hinky. Nothing I can do about it, it's at the provider end.

And I was bribed into babysitting tomorrow... well, five hours from now. Baby has some sort of plague and the daycare doesn't want him. I don't really want him either, he already gave me his plague x.x

Will try to work on customs between diaper changes and hoping he keeps water down.

Eww, babysitting for a sick baby...that sounds as bad as emergency dog walks.  If not worse.

But at least you're getting paid for it, right?

Noooope -.-

Quote from: Taruia on September 14, 2009, 05:49:36 PM
All dog breeds, not individual dogs *goes to edit that post to reduce confusion*

oowh im so sorry i misunderstood it dear :)
im danish so my english isn't perfect :D

o.o; Not getting paid? Dx -snugs- Poor Garney!

-is in school- >>; FIrst period. XD I'm so bad!

In case you didn't notice, I split the last thread. Chatter goes in here....games and customs in the migration thread. Thankies all! *huggles*

Update on kitten... We kept going out to check it last night and eventually we saw a bigger cat go down into the sewer drain (guessing it's the mom) and the kitten stopped 'crying'. This morning we checked again, and no sign of the kitten or the cat. Hopefully the mother got the baby out and they are both safe.

Oh yay that is good to hear!

I really hope both kitties are safe now. :)

 
I just found out that i have a stray mom cat with three kittens who live in my back yard and under by wooden deck.   Not a problem, i love cats..... except you cant go near them or they run.

Down side...  I own two dogs, and one really really hates cats.   We have a screened in porch, but im afraid that he might try to push his way out and break the screen if he sees them.

Cats dont do well in the shelters here in this town.  They have housing for millions of dogs and the kittens/cats is a small corner.  They dont get many and hardly ever get adopted.    We chose to let them remain in the back yard....

Not sure if that was a good choice but better then them getting picked up and then put to sleep.

Maybe you could try to somehow lure them into a little carrier, take them to the vet, get them checked, then, if they're clean & happy & safe (no diseases), you could make fliers to see if anyone wants to adopt the kittens & mom? My friend did this. Once they were fed & everything, they warmed up to people, and they all went to the same, great home. Then again, I don't know if that was a rare case, and if my idea is bad or not. XD I'm just saying, they could probably find a home if you did it yourself. I'm sure the momma would be A-okay as long as she was with at least one of her kittens, if adopted.

Either way, I think that was the right choice, unless there are any non-kill shelters near where you live. <3

/in 4th period
MWAHAHA. I'm about to head to 5th. Then Lunch. /dread

If I win the lottory, Im going to start a non-profit org that owns mobile spay/neuter vans and does it for as little cost as possible, in most cases for free.

Quote from: indigowulf on September 15, 2009, 01:04:20 PM
If I win the lottory, Im going to start a non-profit org that owns mobile spay/neuter vans and does it for as little cost as possible, in most cases for free.

That's awesome! :3

-about to get out of school- :D

just got lunch <.< lol

if i won the lottery... i would start my own daucshund kennel as well as a spay and nueter place. Mostly cause i love duashunds but people sell them so high up its hard to get a pure bred daushund for under 300 dollars. Figure this way people can have the fun of them.

That reminded me to try and phone the pay and neuter clinic, although I don't think I will qualify.  Stupid people only looking at income instead of how many peoplke are trying to live off said income.  Sorry try and do the right thing and fix my cats but get no help doing so.  Oh well we will still get her fixed, although I would love to breed my new cat (she is a Bengal cross) I just don't want kittens that badly.

did you go to the humain society first? in my town, they have this thing where, when you get your pet licensed, they will give you a coupon to get spay/neuter for $15. Which, around here, means a total $30 for the operation and the license.

worth checkin to see at least. wish i had known about it before i got all 3 of mine, and my roommates 1 fixed.

When I got my male fixed we were told there was no finacial help for us becasue we made too much.  Well do you know what, one income and three people was hard to live and still do the responsible thing, now we have one income and 4 people.  It wouldn't be so bad but I know fixing a female costs more, which is why I wanted a male but she was gifted to us so we decided not to be picky.

Sorry I am whining, either way she will get fixed, we pay the expenses needed to keep our animals healthy, it woud just be nice to help those who actually want to do the right thing to keep cat populations down

okl apparently the clinic does nto answer the phones so I will have to leave a message tomorrow when I can step away from my baby and have her looked after and not cry the entire time.

I have been looking through everybody's doggies and there are tons I would just love to steal, I mean borrow for a long time

"Borrow"-- riiiiiiiiiiiight.  ;)

I LOVE your avvie, PM. I've seen it for weeks now and didn't get a chance to tell you how beautiful your girls are.  :D

Yes borrow *shifty eyes*

Thanks Cutiee
I just loved this picture, they were sitting on the couch so I went to take a picture and my oldest looked down to fuss over her sister, and the picture turned out perfect.  I am going to frame this one

I've been watching it for a while as well and I totally agree with cutie, they're adorable.

Just wanted to say you guys are AWSOME!!!!!! i really love the dogs i have received latly to where im adding all my dogs to my kennel website and making another for my duachsunds that will one day hopfully have their own kennel ^-^

And here is my Dachshund Kennel ^_^ thank Taruia for the name lol
http://hottiehotdogskennel.webs.com/ (http://hottiehotdogskennel.webs.com/)

Awww, yay! Sunchaser has a new kennel! ^_^ It's very cute!

I am thinking about a Pinscher kennel but don;t know.  One site is hard enough to update all the time, I don't know if I can update two of them (my first is sadly outdated right now)

I might have 3 kennels total, separating by dog size. Small/tiny breed kennel, medium breed kennel, and large breed kennel (would most likely keep it as the Decori Cani kennel; might make the medium breed kennel DEK though. I dunno. XD I'd have to change a lot of show names though. .-.)

i have been planing this kennel since TheKennel came out *hangs head* ryuu can tell you all about it lol. So when they finally came out im extremly happy. Now just to breed them like my huskies! *grins* and for those that havnt seen my huskies <.< i didnt realize how many i had till i started updating my website lol

-wiggles into thread and flops down- I be sick. Dx

I still have my ultimate plan of getting 1 male & 1 female of every breed. I'm going to random.org right now to make a list of what I'll be getting & in what order. Granted, this will be nearly impossible, but at least it'll be a fun project for me to work hard for. =3 I'm getting a gold tag-it in a trade, so I expect to use that for a female Dachi for the handsome male I won. However, I'm also getting two nn5's in a trade, so that might be for the first pair to actually go towards my projects, even though I already have plenty of breeds/pairs that count towards it. >3

Question for Kennel Staff:

Will the Secundian dogs have certs as that of PI? Or will they appear just as there are once uploaded onto the Secundi website in our list of pets?

(Just wondering, so I know how to go about putting them onto my kennel websites.)  :)

They won't have certs.  (There's not much point in the automated selling system if we still have to change a cert every time.  ^^ )  We're letting their display page do the "certing" here on Secundi.

Alrighty. Thanks for the info, Silvanon!

-honored- I just realized, on TheKennel Dog Breeds page here, Aurora is the example Great Dane~! n___n <3<3 I so happy. XD

see, Im one of those people who disagrees with the stats.. Ive always loved big dogs cuz I feel they are usually smarter than little ones, with a few noted exceptions. but I also understand the need to balance the stats between breeds.

Quote from: Silvanon on September 22, 2009, 08:38:14 AM
They won't have certs.  (There's not much point in the automated selling system if we still have to change a cert every time.  ^^ )  We're letting their display page do the "certing" here on Secundi.

Question on that.  Or well, related to it I guess.  With no certs, are our Kennel sites still viable?  How will/should we go about adding in the secundi dogs to our sites?  Or should we at all?  I just thought of it since I have two secundi dogs now, and was going to add them to my site, but then thought twice, wondering if I should.

*checks to see if any of her dogs made the species/breed listing*

I don't think there are any Borzoi on that list.

Reminds me I went to the show yesterday to watch all the Borzoi compete, so beautiful  ;D

*giggle* Ryuu was tickled pink that Shimmer is the example for the Shetlands. ^^

My Riley (Lab) and Grania (Wolfhound) are on the list ;D Ironically, they are probably my two favorite dogs XDD And Desmond (Heeler) is there too, whee!

Haruki is on the list for Shibas! *luffs*

Ooh! Splitty FINALLY made her list for what dog breeds she will be getting & in what order. I used random.org. XD I don't think anyone would be able to guess what's first on the list. -gigglesnort- I actually LOVE the list random.org gave me. Hehe.

Blood Stain's the example bloodhound!! :D *squees*

Im soo excited to see my tag dogs =p

Im waiting on 2 Sammies and 2 Boxers i think :D
- What did you others want from your tags ?

Quote from: Kadana Sorano on September 22, 2009, 05:23:51 PM

Quote from: Silvanon on September 22, 2009, 08:38:14 AM
They won't have certs.  (There's not much point in the automated selling system if we still have to change a cert every time.  ^^ )  We're letting their display page do the "certing" here on Secundi.

Question on that.  Or well, related to it I guess.  With no certs, are our Kennel sites still viable?  How will/should we go about adding in the secundi dogs to our sites?  Or should we at all?  I just thought of it since I have two secundi dogs now, and was going to add them to my site, but then thought twice, wondering if I should.

Well, we're still working out the details of breeding Secundi dogs, so that is a good question and we don't have a definite answer yet.  I can tell you, however, that I personally will be adding my Secundi dogs to my website regardless of how breedings end up working here, just because I enjoy having all my dogs up.

I probably will keep adding the secundian dogs to my websites for personal preference too. I like keep them all in one spot. ^^

Now, will the charge to switch our dogs to Secundi dogs be expensive? Will they lose their show points/ribbons/champ packs, or will competing continue, or will it coninue in a different way? I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, and I understand if it has not been officially discussed yet. I am just very curious, as I would definitely love to get Aurora to champion status & have her banner, or at least have her status.
I was also wondering if breeding would still have its bonuses from competing, if competing will continue. I know I'm looking very far into the future, but I would like to have this question out in the open. n___n

Otherwise, I'm loving these events. I'm shocked there have been so many events thus far, and how they've run so smoothly. :D I cannot wait for this transition, and in my opinion, it's been quite smooth so far.

Thank you for everyone who's been working so hard to make all of this possible. I was going to be awfully upset if TheKennel hadn't continued due to the bologna rules that PI enforced. I personally don't think it was fair for adoptables that'd already been out for so long to be changed. After all, it's not scarring anyone for life. If parents choose to be overprotective, they can monitor the forums for their kids. Also, my old laptop had parental controls that were set on 'extremely strict'. It's not hard to set up controls like that. They're on every computer, I'm sure. At the most strict settings for parental controls under 'images' & 'websites', I wasn't allowed to see Kennel dogs or even pictures of real male dogs. XD That's what I never understood. Why complain about something you can easily fix yourself without making other people go out of their way & work their butts off?

/end rant
I'm in school... and I'm happy. I've got my hands on a Boxer, and I've gotten ALL of the reference pictures for every dog pair/single dog I'll need to do my complete Kennel (1 male & 1 female of every breed). XD

Dogs on Secundi will be able to participate in the Secundi competitions (which I'm working on right now), and will be able to level up and win prizes, etc. from those.  Non-Secundi dogs will not be able to participate in Secundi competitions.

By the same token, we will continue running the normal Kennel competitions for dogs who haven't imported into Secundi (although we will no longer be doing the item grabs, they take up a lot of time that we'd rather put into Secundi).  Only non-Secundi dogs will be able to participate in the Non-Secundi Kennel comps.

Dogs imported into Secundi will not keep their certs, so no, they won't have the Kennel comp ribbons.  (Although you could certainly note in their display what they had won, that would be fine.  You could even show a pic of them in their old certed glory if you like.)  They won't keep champ packs either, as champ packs have no place or bearing on Secundi comps.  Champ packs that had been equipped to imported dogs can be returned to your inventory if you like.

We've stated several times that breeding hasn't been worked out yet on Secundi, so it's rather useless to ask questions about how that will work, right now.  ^^;

As far as prices for importing, we haven't got that worked out yet, so I can't answer that one either, right now.

Thank you very much. n__n
I think I will probably continue to show Aurora & the others with ribbons in non-Secundi competitions until they receive their Champion Banners so I can save them as a memoir. =3

Sorry if that was bothersome. XD I've been sick, so I've missed a lot. Thank you very much & thank you for your hard work. =D

I'm really in love with the certs, the items, the ribbons, etc. of the old style. I will be haunting the Kennel forums as well as Secundi, to continue to collect both 'types' of dogs. XD

Quote from: Ryuukokoro on September 24, 2009, 12:47:06 PM
I'm really in love with the certs, the items, the ribbons, etc. of the old style. I will be haunting the Kennel forums as well as Secundi, to continue to collect both 'types' of dogs. XD

I actually might do that as well. I was considering keeping all of my current dogs the way they are, but then I realized they wouldn't be breedable. XD Poor Aurora wants to have a litter. -sage nod-
It'll all just depend, though, but I might do the same. :3

They will be breedable...that is the one thing we know for sure. We've said that a lot of times too. Secundi and Old World can breed.

if you don't know the answer to this yet then no worries, but when we figure out how to move old world dogs to secundi will they bring their Comp points along with them?  Just trying to figure out who if when I will bring over to secundi first (wants to bring Kazan but don't want to have all that training go to waste)

I haven't worked it out with the rest of the team yet, but I was thinking they would get equivalent points for their events, like endurance - stamina, so every point won in a stamina comp would be added to the stats, and BIS = luck, so that would be added to the luck stats. Something like that, but like I said not worked out yet.

Honestly I don't think we can say anything at all about how Secundi comps will work on affecting breeding until after the test run(s) are done and we know how the system really does.

ok no worries.  I will wait and see and leave my list in pencil so I can always change it then

Hmm. What color would this girl's coat be called? Does anyone know?
(http://www.lemontoss.com/kennel/owners/d/18893-3/1924.jpg)

As I said in the "what kennel dog would you steal" thread, she looks to me like a blue tricolor, though perhaps she's more of a blue merle with very little spotting?

She looks like a heeler I saw in RL once - up close it looks more like roan than spots, but I believe it is still merle - I will need to research that a bit, see if it is the same gene or something different

THANK YOU TAURIA! i love my female dachshund *nods and clings*

In that case, it may be merle with unknown modifiers, or it may be the pattern called "blue speckled" in ACDs (whose genetic origin I'm not familiar with; at least one researcher considers it closer to roan than merle)
http://homepage.usask.ca/~schmutz/dilutions.html
http://homepage.usask.ca/~schmutz/dogspots.html#ticking
http://homepage.usask.ca/~schmutz/merle.html

ETA: *glomps Taru*  Thank you!  *Jester woofs, jumps around and generally lives up to his name*

Yeah, I've been looking through pages - I would call it blue-speckled for breeding purposes.  I want to find the genetics of it, though, make sure there aren't any lethal aspects before I get breeding up and running again

I'd consider her a tri-merle Splitty.

Taruia youa re awsome cause you have been making my week so much. I have filming tommorow for the medical education show thingy and am so stressed out. Seeing the dogs makes me so dang happy *squees like a school girl*

My two girls are awesome. thank you so much Taruia.  I hope I can snag another slot or two and get some more pretties

I'm finally done with my shift up at work and let me tell you I would have rather been here looking at all the pretty doggies.  :P

Quote from: Lectral on September 28, 2009, 03:28:29 PM
Yeah, I've been looking through pages - I would call it blue-speckled for breeding purposes.  I want to find the genetics of it, though, make sure there aren't any lethal aspects before I get breeding up and running again

I don't know about lethal, but I do know that in real life ACDs are sometimes born deaf in one or both ears.  I have no clue if it's related to color in any way, though.

From what I was seeing, the deafness is unrelated to their colors

So... Tri-Merle or blue-speckled? n___n and if she's blue-speckled, will she be allowed to breed with merles, still? I definitely don't want her to have puppies with birth defects. Dx

mmmm never really notice how dogs become deaf from their colors. I know mine is deaf and blind but thats cause of the poor breeding that the breeder did *grumbles at idiot breeder in for money*

And since i know merles that breed with merles here sometimes have defects does that including Dapples with dachshunds? since it is different in genes then merles. *have looked up thingys*

I know that a lot of white around the face and ears can cause deafness, this is because the lack of pigment in the hair follicles in the cochlea causes them to not function correctly. This is why whites produced from two merles tend to be deaf.

I will be using blue-speckled if she's sent in for breeding.  At this point, she won't have a problem breeding with merles.  I'll be doing more research, though, and if I need to change it, I'll make sure I post a big notice.  Which goes for any color I find potential problems for, actually

Thank you very much, y'all. :3

Dude I just figured something out...

You can post in different fonts on Secundi

Indeed, you can.

Edit: Awww. Why isn't it glowy? Dx It just looks it's painted over in red now. XD

lol. That's Glow, right Spitty? I'm using Firefox and it doesn't show as a glow, it shows as a regular black text with a block of red around the text.

yep, ditto for me.  Like a highlighter lol

looks glowy to me, but I use IE

-tempted to use IE JUST to see the pretty glowies- XDDD

-peers at Lectral- I think you tried to eat me yesterday at the Council Door. >>; -hides-

Sorry, I am not responsible for my actions behind the Council door XD

Answering a question I just saw in the Speed Tag thread here, to keep from cluttering Taru's thread - Merle and Brindle are fine to breed together. 

Ahhh!  I'm glad I went thread surfing.  Thank you Lectral XD

wee! I have 8 dogs who are "old world" and I just bought 8 passports. Cant wait until they open up for transfering. If people want to keep oldworld dogs in the oldworld, its quite possible Ill have 4 champ packs and 1 large bed that need to be swapped for secundi items of equal value. waiting to see what happens :)

31 dogs to import and 26 import tags.  Hmmmm should I buy the other imports? I don't think I want to import them all right away, as I wanted a couple to get the champion banners, then I can move them over.

Yeah I went nuts!

lol I have a lot to import as well.  But I only bought a couple for now.  I dunno how expensive competing will be in the future here, and we don;t get a ton daily, so I want to hang on to as much as I can lol

I bought mine up because they are down to 24 left for sale lol. Until its restocked, some people may get left out. I wasnt taking that chance with mine.

Do all of the old world dogs eventually need to be moved to Secundi?  *is a little confused*

I've got 78 old world dogs and I really want to import all of them but it might take awhile as my SG is very low.:D

from my understanding you arent required to move them. if you were, i dont think there would be a fee associated.

dunkel, do you have enough to move your first 2? the migration is open!


eta: nm, noticed you already imported your first 2 :)

Anyone know what this coat is?  Considering ordering it in a custom, but I need to know if it is merle first.  If it is, then I have to find a differant image for my male, as the one for him IS merle.

I can't rmember where I got this image, its been on my comp for a while, and I just can't remember if she is merle or not :S

(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg222/Kadana-Sorano/IMG_1077.jpg)

I have twenty passports. I'm thinking I'll move most of my non-competing dogs first.

Kadana I woudl not think that is a merle, I think it is more a white tri colored, but then again I am nto great with dog colors, but I know Merle

Yeah, I would say that would be more of an extreme-white tri-color than merle

Pretty dog though

yay!  Thank you both :D

*waffles*

So, I have 100+ dogs.
-30 are my prime competition dogs; about 10 more are my "backup" show dogs
-2 have champion status, and I'm waiting on their banners
-1 has a collar edit -- will that come with her to Secundi?
-all have their certs, which I love

I... don't know who to import, if any, really. Any advise from other dog owners? I want to get my lovelies to champion status, want to get them banners, etc, etc. But I also want my dogs to have puppies - I have many litters planned already - and don't know if that will be possible off Secundi. And I don't want my dogs to lose their pretty certs, even if I save the images, but I also don't want all my future dogs here and all old dogs there and no happy connection between them... *flops*

What's everyone else doing? ???

Im gonna transfer all to secundi, but its easy for me because none of mine have so much as a single ribbon. Nobody has said you have to move them, I think its easier for future trading and equipping because you can do it automatically, but I dont think theres any real disadvantage to not importing.

I plan to import all of my dogs eventually. I'm starting with my favorites, and moving on from there. I have been working really really hard to get breeding to cross Old World and Secundi.

-Taru

oh goody so there may be a way of using my oldworld bed with secundi imported dogs? hehe

Well beds are still the breeding items for the Kennel, so we will work on getting them included into your inventory somehow too...

-Taru

I have always intended to keep doing breedings for both... and I know Taru just posted the other day that breeding would still be possible with both, so I still don't understand why everyone thinks they won't be able to breed their non-Secundi dogs O.o

I am working on how to manage the interbreeding between the two.  If I kept breeding separate, ran forum breeds and Secundi breeds, it might be fairly simple, but getting them to mesh, when people may or may not be importing old dogs, is a little more challenging XD

Trust me, I am working on it, and now that the dogs have started being imported, I can get a better idea of how things should work ;D

To add, though: at this point I don't intend to import any of my current competitors from the Kennel forum comps.  I have 30 actively competing, and I want them to get their ribbons, etc.  I don't know if I will import them later; it depends on a lot of things XD

I saw before that they would be inter breedable, so that wasn't a concern for me.  I do however have other questions about breeding (among other things) lol but I'm trying to bite my tongue (so to speak) and give you all a chance to figure things out and get them set up.

Once breeding is set up and usable, I'll look for my answers, and ask if I can't find them :)

I am importing all my dogs that I am not contesting over ont eh kennel site, Those dogs will continue so I can get them their champion banners just for me to look at, then I will decide from there what I want to do

As for me, I don't plan to import any of my Competition dogs because I don't want them to lose their ribbons. I probably won't be importing my dogs with champ packs, since I like seeing their champ packs on their certs. ^_^ So only non-competition Old World dogs of mine will be coming over to Secundi.

I think I'll be importing all of mine, but I'm not really sure yet. None of them have ribbons, but most of them do have champ packs. I think it'll be easier to have them all in one place though.

now i see you are bringing dogs over and i would love to bring my dogs over. however T'kaya is a champion now. if im correct once she comes over she will no longer be a champion and the points that she has aquire will mean squat?

Yes Sun, it's been posted that points don't transfer over, so I wouldn't suggest bringing your Champion dog over to Secundi.

yea, somethign I'm a teeny bit dissapointed in.  I have some dogs I have been trying to accumulate points on, before I ever breed them.  Breeding bonus's and such.. So they will have to remain off secundi for now.  I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that something similar is implemented here later on.

guess that means T'kaya and some of my others wont be moving then oh well ^_^

Just to clarify what I meant - your owner points you've already gotten certainly still remain, and can be used to purchase stuff from the store in the shiney.  And, the record of your dog's points won't be removed from the Shiney either, those are still there.  As far as how those points will affect breedings for imported dogs, well, that's still being decided on.  

However, the points aren't going to affect in any way your dog's contesting here on Secundi, nor will Secundi competitions cause your dog to continue to accumulate Kennel Competition points.  That's what I meant when I said they wouldn't transfer over (put into context, I was responding to the statement that the dog in question was "her best contesting dog" and would the points transfer over?)

Edit:  And, I appologize, the computer I thought I'd have access to this morning didn't work out, and this afternoon some other rather urgent business came up that I had to take care of, so I didn't get to work on importing dogs.  I currently anticipate I'll be able to finish the current round tomorrow evening-ish.

- Silvanon

*hugs Silv*  thank you for the clarification hun.  I'll still be waiting to move the majority of my dogs over, until you guys decide how breeding will work, and if secundi dogs will be able to earn breeding bonuses somehow too.  I'll be quite honest, the breeding bonuses is what got me into contesting my dogs to begin with lol  The comp points to spend, was a happy seconday bonus hehe

But it's no worry, and I don;t ant you to feel I'm complaning, or rushing, I'm not trying to.  Just a decision I'm making, most of my doggies will wait till the dust settles on Secundi.  Which is perfectly fine, I have a ton of nice new doggies on Secundi now, thanks to taru's awesome super speedy coloring skills :)

I wonder if there will ever be a reverse transferring process to move Kennel dogs from Secundi back to the Old World.  I don't know if that's been discussed yet, and I know it's probably brain-melting to even consider now with just the transfers from Old World to Secundi.  It was just something that popped into my head...

I rather doubt it.  I didn't even code anything to let Site Agency Owners remove pets from Secundi -- if they did, it'd break links all over in the battle and competition histories, and maybe later other things too.

*nods*  I didn't think so.  I figured it'd be way too complicated.  Thanks for answering Silvanon. :) I guess I'll just have to save a few tags to get my Secundi dogs made for the Old World as well.

I have a question about standards.

This is the phrasing on the Kennel site regarding item standards:

QuoteStandard Items are beds and champ packs customized per owner. Each owner is allowed 3 standard designs which are applied to items. Each registered kennel can have 3 of its own standard designs. If you have more than one kennel, each kennel can have 3 more standards.

Does this mean I can design up to 3 standards now, or should I wait until I have a registered kennel?

You can design 3, for yourself.  They are called personal standards.  They would be labled springacres 1, springacres2, springacres3 or similar.

if/when you get a kennel registered, you can have 3 kennel standards.  And they will be labled similarily to your personal standards, except with your kennel name instead of your user name.

I'm not sure if you have to wait to make the kennel standards until having a regitered kennel or not, but if you are using an abreviaiton of your kennels name on the standards, then I would suggest waiting, in case someone else registeres before you do with that name.

OK, thank you Kadana :)  That was how I was reading it, but wanted to make sure :)

sure, np :)

*Ryuu slides in and plops some humor in to brighten everyone's day, then slides out*


(http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/cute-puppy-pictures-hangovers-happen.jpg)

lol that did make me smile, thank you :)

*Springacres also plops some humor in*
(http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/8/19/128952205408044939.jpg)

Those are too funny.  I'm thinking about importing my dogs that aren't competing right now, but almost all of them are ones I've bred from other people's dogs.

I'll probably import my cutest ones. :D

I'll probably import Lady (she's my best show dog), Hayley (my kennel dog namesake) and Cielo (my cat in kennel form since I couldn't manage to get a cattery cat of her). :)